Friend Zone

[DemonicBLT]

Guys, we've all been there, haven't we? You start trying to work your "magic" on a chick, you take it slow to avoid accusations of just trying to get laid, and the next thing you know. BAM. You're stuck on the sidelines while she's hooking up with some other prick. Welcome to the friend zone, looks like I'll be here for eternity.

Ladies of the forum, please, answer me this. Why do you throw nice guys into this dark, hopeless jail cell that is, the friend zone, to date assholes? What is the point of doing that to us? Is it a test of our commitment to a healthy relationship? or are you just waiting to see if we'll get tired of the shit and walk out? I can't begin to tell you how many lovely women have taken me aside and told me they that they just want to be friends. Then they run off to the asshole who probably just wants to dive deep into their pants, take what they can grab, and fucking run off to some gutter skank whose been fucked more times than is humanly possible. What the hell is up with this growing trend of rejection and stupidity!

[Corey]

They don't want to date a pussy.

[DemonicBLT]

And then they bitch about getting dumped by the Asshole.....most often to the "Pussy"

[Jason Rance]

One thing you must understand as early as possible, young man...

A WOMAN DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. At all. Nilch. Nada. Zip. She only cares of what you do for her. The minute the novelty wears off she is GONE.

That's it. She won't date you unless you increase her status. She won't kiss you if you don't increase her status. She won't fuck you unless you increase her status. Women actively pursue 10% of men. If you aren't in that 10%--Good Luck. Better to not even bother. Visit a brothel frequently or master the art of seduction. Sex should be your primary concern. They're all DESPICABLE...and deep down they know it. This is among the reasons they shrug off suitors who would love them. "Love" is too good for them. In fact, it never enters the equation. Women are incapable of such.

Assholes provide excitement and passion! They magically push their HORNY button and that's what it is all about. Women have "feelings" and those feelings can never be betrayed. They're unconscious beings--they have no SELF. From an early age, women FUCK their way to Prince Charming. If Prince Charming never enters her neck of the woods, she'll settle down with an average guy...who has money. As a wiser man once said: It's a delicate dance of the egos that often ends on the mattress. Attack her ego from the minute you meet her--ground that ho in reality, let her know that you won't take her shit and that SHE WILL RESPECT YOU OR ELSE...and the rest is par for the course.

Low quality women seek out low quality men. Very basic. 90% of them are among the most irredeemable creatures who walk this Earth. Best to learn this at an early age.

Never respect a woman unless she has earned it. In other words, just don't. You want something from her; she wants something from you. So exchange, goddammit. Simple! They're all whores and she wants the keys to your car. You dangle those keys in front of her face and let her barter for it. She begins to walk away, you remind her that this is the closest she'll ever get to her Barbie Corvette. If she continues to waltz...fuck her. She's trash. Let her collect a few more STDs and stew around in her pitiable malcontent for a while. Let that biological clock tick down until she is utterly worthless.

Never cater to her, behave disinterested and aloof when you first meet her. This in turn will make her work harder for your affection. Withhold that affection. She has to earn it. Women are predatory by nature. They want to be the ones to pursue...not the other way around. If you do want to pursue, you gotta melt that bitch shield and get in. From the very get-go, they're testing you. Can't fail the test.

And of course, the most troubling aspect of all of this is that when YOU like a girl she never likes you back. She'll probably just toy with you and then crush you for her own amusement. When you aren't interested, she just goddamn won't leave you alone. It's sickening. So as men we're placed in a no-win scenario: End up alone or end up with a woman you never gave a shit about in the first place and rationalize the reasons you're with her. Jesus jumped-up Christ. A woman's ego is so unfathomably big that it is as fragile as a set of cheap china from Bed Bath and Beyond.

Women truly are the greatest cosmic joke ever told.

[Jason Rance]

And then they bitch about getting dumped by the Asshole.....most often to the "Pussy"

Hahahaha! They actively seek out men who would wreck their lives so they can say: "See! Men are pigs! Told ya so!" Don't be confused or disgruntled, young man. Think meta for a minute. Those assholes "hurting" them and people coming from all angles to comfort them...This is what they want.

Victimizing one's self is a wonderful way to get attention! And after all, that is the lifeblood of an American female: Attention. This is why you don't give them time of day if you want them. You make 'em work for it. Most guys they meet fall over themselves to "get a piece." Be the guy who isn't impressed. Be the guy who sees right through and is willing to call her on her bullshit. She will be POWERLESS and guess what? She'll grow OBSESSED with you. This will inevitably result in a lay. You victimized her, you took from her and she needs to get it back. In order for her to get it "back" (whatever that thing is), she has to sleep with you. If she is unwilling to sleep with you, well. That's too bad. Looks like she'll just have to walk around with a bruised ego, won't she?

You want love? This is the closest you'll ever get, chico. This is why women only wish to end up with oblivious douchebags and sociopaths. They're the only ones who can handle them and keep them in constant check! Women assign guilt like nobody's business. It's your fault this happened! It's your fault that happened! If a guy is either, A) Too goddamn arrogant or stupid to know he has done something wrong or B) Just doesn't give a flying fuck whatsoever (as he is only with her because of what she provides) then he is forever shameless. He is perceived as truly "confident" and "fun" regardless. He is clearly the "villain" she has been looking for while she forever remains blameless. Meanwhile, she grows frustrated and vents and everybody gathers around to listen and offer support.

Ah. Poor baby.

Watch the movie THERE WILL BE BLOOD and closely focus on the competitive, obsessive, egocentric relationship between Daniel Plainview and Eli Sunday. THIS IS THE MODERN "ROMANTIC" RELATIONSHIP.

It truly is a battle of the egos. I can tell that the minute you speak to them...they've already won. You respect them FAR too much.

Fuck N' Chuck. It's all they are good for. You want an honest, adult relationship? Go overseas and date women there. And don't bring 'em or bother coming back here, for Christ's sake. The feminist doctrine is as infectious as the goddamn black plague.

Women are inherently evil. Only men can choose whether or not to be "God" or the "Devil". It is best to remember this.

[A.L.]

Mores the better when she's convinced that you are god and the devil ...

[The Game]

I wonder what Rance is gonna be like when he dates a girl for a while and then gets dumped.

[Jason Rance]

What is that supposed to mean?

[Floating on Raft]

Here's my only tip for you, youngin'...

Be an asshole now and get nicer as you get older.

[Jason Rance]

Good advice

[Sean C]

Guys, we've all been there, haven't we? You start trying to work your "magic" on a chick, you take it slow to avoid accusations of just trying to get laid, and the next thing you know. BAM. You're stuck on the sidelines while she's hooking up with some other prick.

I can only imagine your "magic":
Washing her boyfriend's IROC while he's banging her in a motel.

Does he toss you a wetish towel for a keepsake?

[Goatass]

This whole thread screams dejavu for some reason...

[Jason Rance]

He brought it up. Not me.

I don't enter the "friend's" zone unless I enjoy the woman's company (which is hardly ever). I don't want to enter into a relationship because I'm only looking to score. Spending any other spare time with her is a waste of mine.

It's her life. If she wants to fuck it up by pursuing douchebags and sociopaths...please. Have at it. I'm glad I won't be around to hear about it.

[Jason Rance]

Here is another revelation I've had of late...it coincides with what I was saying earlier:

Whenever you happen to like a girl, there is a 99.9% probability that she will shoot you down mercilessly. She teases you, leads you on a wild goose chase and tosses you in the gutter. Look at what I can make my dog do!

It's disgusting.

But...the guy she ends up with will cheat. And guess what? I have no sympathy for these so-called "wymmins" who get cheated on. Nilch. Nada. Zip. None whatsoever. Why is this?

Because. Women actively seek out guys who are disinterested in them or too good for them. Why conquer something that is easy? She needs to validate her ego and goddammit! That's what you are. A walking, talking ego-validator. Once she has "domesticated" you (or so she thinks) her head gets pretty goddamn big. As for the guy, he'll either be:

A) Be a douchebag "alpha" male with plenty of sexual options

or

B) An ordinary guy who just doesn't "feel" it.

As the alpha douche has options and only looks at a woman as life support for a vagina...it is inevitable that he will cheat. As for the ordinary guy: He never really liked her from the get-go...when the relationship enters the "serious" phase and the woman starts with the nagging and manipulation as to "domesticate" him...he begins looking elsewhere.

Who can blame him? He never cared about her in the first place. He won't be "manipulated" or "shamed" into staying with her. She makes him feel nothing but a short-term satisfaction. When she becomes a liability to his inner happiness and state of mind/quality of life...it is the minute he runs off.

Once again...who can blame him?

And he shouldn't have a problem finding a potential mistress. Women can sense when you are taken and amp the efforts to steal you away. The keyword here is competition. Men have sports and video games; women have their bodies. Scientific studies have claimed that women are attracted to guys with girlfriends or wives. Single or average men rarely cut the mustard for them.

This'll be a woman he never could've gotten before entering into a relationship with his current woman. And he'll have passion with this new lady. He'll have chemistry and attraction. And as he had none of this with his current lady friend, he'll easily switch sides. If there is no chemistry, passion or attraction from both parties at the start...it'll never work--and rightly so. The desires or needs of men are greatly neglected in our society. Women care only of themselves and how they feel in the moment.

Women aren't upset that there aren't any good men left...they're upset that the alpha male douchebag isn't paying them exclusive attention--even though the sexual revolution was centric around the fact that women could be every bit as promiscuous as men. Women have shot themselves in the foot with their own childish superficiality.

Conveniently as always, the woman will gather a new scapegoat and villain from all of this! All men are pigs! Men are walking penises! They merely project their inner narcissism onto others and never manage to accept responsibility. They CLEARLY aren't the bad guy here! Obviously not. To paraphrase the great Edward Burke: In order for evil to succeed, all good men need to do is nothing. By process of elimination, women are the TRUE bad guys here as they don't encourage good men--they emasculate them whilst enabling and encouraging the bad ones. And nothing is more frustrating than those who cannot comprehend the constructs of HUBRIS.

A woman shirking her guilt in light of these events is akin to the US remaining blameless for the events of 9/11. We supplied the Taliban with weapons and financial aid during the Soviet-Afghan war. We enabled the "lesser" of two conflicting evils. It came back to bite us in the ass. Whenever you enable an aspect of evil, it will reach over and adversely affect you in ways you couldn't imagine. Basic karma. What goes around comes around. What goes up, must come down. And as a result, look where we are as a nation. Broken. Cynical. Downtrodden. And you know what? We have earned this fate. Similar to the chattel women who get cheated on.

Meanwhile, the guy whom she could have achieved a heavenly rapport with was there all along. But the woman still doesn't want him. She sets off to find another punching bag. She wants the dartboard. Never be a provider for a woman. Be the guy she fucks. Chances are, she will cheat on you. 95% of them do it. Women need two guys at all times: The man who would sexually excite her and the man who would provide for her.

An anonymous study conducted by Psychology Today made this claim--a theory I had made some time ago. If you're not willing to emulate the behavioral traits of alpha males--then remain single and unattached. That is the best advice I can give you.

[Barb]

Guys, we've all been there, haven't we? You start trying to work your "magic" on a chick, you take it slow to avoid accusations of just trying to get laid, and the next thing you know. BAM. You're stuck on the sidelines while she's hooking up with some other prick. Welcome to the friend zone, looks like I'll be here for eternity.

Let us be 100% clear here. The friend zone being the area you don't wish to be in when you want to get with the gutterskanks right? Lets be honest. You use the term "friend zone" to imply you want to be "in her pants" instead of in her head or heart. Just checking. Last time I checked, quite a few of my male friends had their own lives and did appreciate my companionship as a friend. They only use "friend zone" when their attempts to score are quashed by the defensive tactics of such elusive creatures as CHEMISTRY and DYNAMICS. Bear with me here. I am asking for elaboration and understanding in a thread that appears to be aimed at justifying one's hostility to lack of better reasoning than the fact that it is all the woman's fault. Who knows, maybe it is. Maybe it just isn't meant to be. Maybe you're chasing tail that should just be left alone anyway. Why do you even WANT these women if they are just dumb bitches that seek men that will cheat on them? That would reflect most poorly on your choices and judgements because obviously, they are what they are.

Ladies of the forum, please, answer me this...

We have not been formally introduced. I'm Barb. I wander in every now and again. I am here to offer no practical assistance as your request is more of a rant and less of a productive excerise in learning the limits of human dynamics and relationships. I offer no justification or closure for your experiences but can dole out some nuggets of past intrigues that may have at some point swayed me from the romantic view of a man to ousting him to the much talked about "friend zone." Just as much as a man can start out as sexually appealing, he can end up falling brutally short of the mark when it comes to how right he is for us. Even a good shag and a padded wallet can't save him then.

Also into consideration, I have men that have been dependent on ME for finances and they rarely pay for things. Regardless of whether or not they have money, the sense of entitlement of SOME men (I said some, you fantastically sensitive juggernauts of the e-world) have in the presence of a woman that has her own 6 figure salary leaves their tails wagging like some of those housewives on reality television. Honestly I can tell when a man is going to be a leech based on how he lives. If he seems to have a somewhat nomadic existance I can immediately tell he is going to piggyback onto the main vein of my success, move into MY home, drive my cars, ride my motorcycles and clean out my fridge. Tried and tested. This does not make you any sexier than that fucking bullshit whining about how we never want a nice guy. Show me a real nice guy and I will show you a man that does not throw in the face of sincere women the term "you got what you deserved for dating that bag of dicks."

Why do you throw nice guys into this dark, hopeless jail cell that is, the friend zone, to date assholes? What is the point of doing that to us? Is it a test of our commitment to a healthy relationship? or are you just waiting to see if we'll get tired of the shit and walk out?

Guess what sweet nuts. As much as you want to hear it, we do not seek out the men we will stuff into the friend zone because they are too nice. I have some friends that are "Too nice" who happened to end up with equally nice women. I also have a few super nice men with money that ended up with bitchy women that they REALLY wanted and now can't stand. Guess what, peaches. Odds are, your dream girl is setting up to be your worst nightmare in some cases. This is just how it is. A friend is a friend and a supportive person in your general vicinity. Your friends are supposed to be approachable, honest, open, objective, mindful of your goals but still push you to want more for yourself. Your lover should possess many of the same characteristics. Except that you should be attracted to them and want to prove your loyalty to them by agreeing to be monogamous. Fine lines, my friend. Fine lines.

A relationship is not an easy feat by any stretch of the imagination. It requires a lot of work and commitment in addition to a solid foundation that consists at least of some parts similar goals, attraction, sexual compatibility, fiscal responsibility... It isn't all romance and flowers. Yes, I have some male friends that badger me wondering why we never "Went there." I always have to be the bad guy saying that it just "isn't there." We don't force you to fuck fat chicks or the queen of halitosis. I'm not saying you're not scoring because you are a troll but you have to understand that we're not going to jump on a guy that does nothing but whine about his prospects and then insist that we suck because we won't just try to date someone that isn't OUR type. Now how is that fair? If you could just "date anyone" why are you badgering the women that don't want you in that way? If you find that you cannot be friends with someone, boot them out of your life and find a girl you want to be with. Honestly, the old adage to love the one you're with is a little overrated and it is only a matter of time before you would end up cheating on some girl that entirely loves you because the opportunity presents itself to fuck the girl you REALLY want. And you can't tell me I am wrong either. You won't stay with some sweet little girly when the woman you fantasize about changes her mind and wants to rock your cock to the fucking moon. Come on.

I can't begin to tell you how many lovely women have taken me aside and told me they that they just want to be friends. Then they run off to the asshole who probably just wants to dive deep into their pants, take what they can grab, and fucking run off to some gutter skank whose been fucked more times than is humanly possible. What the hell is up with this growing trend of rejection and stupidity!

Then stop putting yourself in the position to be rejected. We don't want the confrontation. We just don't. Nothing good has ever come out of your declaration and outpouring of feelings. Not because women are all cunts but because they simply may not feel the same way. Perhaps some women fuck up by letting men off the hook a little too easily when they should be more abrupt. Nothing can be gained from pussyfooting around the truth either.

On the flip side, not all men leave those girls to pursue some other gutterskank. Relationships run their course. So will your patience for some whiny lollipop that is not only needy but pushes the limits of your own tolerance. People become less attractive when they let weaknesses and insecurity plague them. It chews away at your psyche and presents itself in the displays of supercilious vitriol you see in some of the above posts. Honestly, what do you want out of a relationship? You have to truly know what you want before anything else will ever truly work out. Sounds like you are dealing with younger women as well. Hope it gets better for you but you may want to start by complaining less and trying to find out where it is that you are coming up short. I can guarantee it has nothing to do with you being "too nice" to girls. Trust me.